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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:39:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The Ultimate Solution to the T2 BPO Problem Announced by CCP
You know who else had an ultimate solution?
I'll be surprised if this happens any time soon. They'll get nerfed before they disappear. I have yet to hear any valid reason these are a problem (except for jealousy) since invention was introduced.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:57:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:Weaselior wrote:As anyone who was watching the fanfest stream knows, CCP Greyscale today announced that T2 BPOs will be going away in the future: that they've caused problems for the game for years and everyone has felt they'd be going away at some point. That point is apparently coming soon. The discussion indicated that they would not simply be deleted but that there would be a phasing out plan (presumably, the often-considered replacement with BPCs with a large number of copies).
Interestingly, CCP thought that people buying and selling T2 BPOs should have been taking this risk into account. As every bpo sells for something like 7-10 years profit at this point, players clearly did not have that sort of foresight or common sense, so we can expect the price to plummet dramatically.
What are people's thoughts on finally eradicating T2 BPOs to secure a future for invention as the only means of producing T2 bpos, and what do people think will happen in the interim between now and their eventual demise? What sorts of outrage do we expect from current T2 BPO holders who see large parts of their investment wiped out? Should they be compensated, or should we realize that buying a product that clearly was bad for the game and paying a decade's worth of profit was the sort of "sure, let me lend a million dollars to this strawberry picker for a mortgage on a mansion worth more than he'll make in his lifetime" financial decision that deserves the loss that everyone but they saw coming? When it comes to the plan to bail out T2 bpo holders with BPCs, how much is enough/too much? What sort of prices do we think we'll see people bailing out of their T2 BPO investments at, or do you think they'll hang onto them hoping that if they post loudly enough, they'll change CCP's mind?
T2 BPO's should of been removed after "T20"
There was no invention then, thanks for removing all Tech 2 from the game.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:26:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Ultimate Solution to the T2 BPO Problem Announced by CCP You know who else had an ultimate solution? I'll be surprised if this happens any time soon. They'll get nerfed before they disappear. I have yet to hear any valid reason these are a problem (except for jealousy) since invention was introduced. That was the Final Solution
I loved that song.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:08:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Look up "INVENTION". That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.
You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:20:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Revman Zim wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Look up "INVENTION". That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends. You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked. http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism.
Do you have any proof of such favoritism? I'm not saying it could not happen, but if you are going to make that kind of accusation without passing out tinfoil first, I'd suggest a better argument based on less unfounded jealousy and/or hysteria. That matter was addressed a long time ago.
What about the 99.99% of the reset of the players who earned their BPOs fairly by grinding research agents and being lucky enough to draw one. I had one once, and nobody gifted it to me.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:55:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:
Touched a nerve?
CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game.
Not actually, I don't own one anymore, and I understand just how well invention works.This is just a tired argument, no one seems to be able to sate what exactly is wrong or bad about T2 BPOs after invention was introduced that does not revolve around jealousy.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:41:00 -
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mkint wrote:
Invention can never match a BPO. Production from a T2 BPO less than half as much build materials as an invention build, not even counting the cost of doing the invention itself. That sucks. But where it's completely broken is where a single T2 BPO can completely shut down all invention for a particular item, if you've got the right BPO. That's just not acceptable, no matter how much you paid for that BPO.
Exactly how many T2 BPOs do you believe there are in game, and which ones exactly can shut down all invention?
If a single BPO can shut down all invention, what does it tell you about demand for that particular item?
Have you actually done invention? A T2 BPO owner is limited on how many items he can make in a given time period. Inventors can create virtually unlimited runs that can be built simultaneously.
If there is a lot of demand for Ishtars (for instance) an you build Ishtars is it more advantageous to be able to manufacture them using 1 manufacturing slot, or 10 at once?
"That Sucks" sounds a lot like jealousy to me.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:15:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:
Making copies of a T2 BPO means the only limitation of items to be made is based on the number of manufacturing jobs you and your alts have skills for.
It is an unfair game mechanic. You are on the other side of course, because you are benefiting from the imbalance. Congrats. CCP is going to fix it. Great.
Making copies takes longer per run than manufacturing. How does that disadvantage create an advantage?
You keep saying it's unfair, but you have not demonstrated how. See jealousy.
How do I benefit when I no longer own a T2 BPO and have not for many years?
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:40:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:
I don't do T2 manufacturing.
I just want the mechanics of EVE to be equal for all. This is an instance where it is NOT.
Note, I said MECHANICS. Not skills, not experience... etc. So don't try to derail and turn this into "making EVE easier".
O.K. You admittedly don't do T2 manufacturing so you have no idea what you are talking about and have never done the math because you'd know that invention is more lucrative.
Just because you *believe* something is bad due to simple ignorance or because someone else told you to believe so is not a good reason for CCP to take something away from another player because you can't have it too.
Gotcha. All is clear now. Original synopsis affirmed.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:43:00 -
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firepup82 wrote:How are they broken? Just sounds like a bunch if Indy people mad that they don't have one. Exactly how are they broken?
Prince Kobol wrote:Goons want your T2 BPO'S
Goons sperg post to create panic that they all going to get removed and your going to be holding nothing.
Stupid people rush to sell their T2 BPO's for next to nothing.
Goons buy lots of T2 BPO's very cheap and laugh at how stupid people are.
CCP announce they will do something to T2 BPO's in soon..
x number of years later T2 BPO's still exist in their current form.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:37:00 -
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mkint wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:So what I'm reading is "T2 BPOs suck but I'd still be really upset if they took mine away". That's pretty much what it boils down to. Some people (usually BPO owners) seem to disagree that it's a bad thing that a single person can fulfill 100% of all demand for half a million players. Those people who promote that agenda are wrong.
Please provide at least 2 specific examples where this is happening right now.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 06:07:00 -
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mkint wrote:Doc Fury wrote:mkint wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:So what I'm reading is "T2 BPOs suck but I'd still be really upset if they took mine away". That's pretty much what it boils down to. Some people (usually BPO owners) seem to disagree that it's a bad thing that a single person can fulfill 100% of all demand for half a million players. Those people who promote that agenda are wrong. Please provide at least 2 specific examples where this is happening right now. I don't have the in depth data to know. I just read dev quotes. And have been reading every dev quote and dev blog for the past 6 years. Grayscale said just last week that T2 BPOs fall into two categories. Either they either completely dominate the production, or they represent a minor percentage of production. It was part of the feedback on the industry dev blogs. Keep up. A couple years ago, if I recall the dev posts correctly, I think the biggest examples were HACs and HICs, though I could be misremembering that.
Hopefully you can understand that any rational person would need to see some actual evidence of this happening before they could accept your claims as nothing but anecdotal.
You have made your claims quite authoritatively at least twice about this, please show us where you got your information exactly and name at least 2 Tech II items in game right now where a single person can fulfill 100% of all demand for 500,000 players.
I'd like to be able to see for myself what this great injustice is, and how broken it is.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:13:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:T2BPO's will be reimbursed for the research points they were traded for. If players traded them for ISK then that is their problem they were worth a limited amount of research points and that is what you are getting when they are removed. Any value prescribed over the research points was player speculation and anyone bitter about failed speculations should HTFU!
LOL.
Good luck with your misinformation campaign.
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